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Post by volffemt on Aug 14, 2006 15:13:02 GMT -5
Anyone know what a sig 66 is? I hear Merrick, Wantagh use it.
If this was already discussed, I apoligize.
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Post by ggfgg on Aug 14, 2006 16:05:06 GMT -5
Hello
It means the call came thru firecom.
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Post by NoSho Buff on Aug 14, 2006 16:34:23 GMT -5
OK.....I know that Signal 99 means false alarm in Bethpage, water rescue in Long Beach & Fireman's family or Code Red cardiac arrest elsewhere but what does a Signal 99 mean in Massapequa?
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Post by volffemt on Aug 14, 2006 21:03:05 GMT -5
why is it a big deal to know that the call came through firecom?
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Post by nmfdlt301 on Aug 14, 2006 21:30:24 GMT -5
signal 99 in massapequa means a investigation....possible false alarm.
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Post by LIFA Rob on Aug 15, 2006 4:15:01 GMT -5
It was usually dispatched as a Signal 9a code 91 if it's a firemans family/home..
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Post by BLASTER99 on Aug 15, 2006 6:44:12 GMT -5
SIG 66 Was to my knowledge a ball break manuever put in place by all the 6th battlion depts when they were either self dispatched or went to 650 with the exception of n.mass so they were goofing on them
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Post by FireRunt on Aug 15, 2006 8:33:17 GMT -5
Anyone know the difference between a signal 9 and signal 9a? Both ambulance calls, no?
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Post by anyfdusa on Aug 15, 2006 12:40:23 GMT -5
In some dept's a 9A is a request for an ambulance and a 9 is a request for only a rescue truck no injuries ie elevator or other need for specialty equipment.same goes for 14 14a 14hr and utilites g ,e ,w.
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Post by bearcat210 on Aug 19, 2006 20:51:56 GMT -5
There were 2 reasons that depts. announced sig.66 to notify the responding units that the call came from Firecom.
1- Since many depts. wrongly assumed that any Firecom call came thru 911, it told the units that a sig.14 was responding or at scene. But this was a wrong assumption because Firecom gets calls from lots of sources other than 911 so a 14 is not always responding.
2- In those depts. that tell their residents not to call 911 for the FD, it told the chief or units to issue their own phone stickers to the residents or business owners at the scene.
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Post by mt8407 on Aug 23, 2006 12:44:48 GMT -5
Sig. 66, 14's goin'. A common phrase heard from 650. So why do we need this one again? To hand out a phone sticker?  |
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Post by nan96ook on Sept 2, 2006 12:28:04 GMT -5
What the hell is the difference what codes, or signals dispatchers use. There is no uniformity, in Nassau, Or suffolk, nor will there ever be. So listen to your scanners and deal with !
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Post by Luke on Sept 8, 2006 12:48:01 GMT -5
I have to disagree with that. Most of the Suffolk fire departments actually use the codes as they were meant to be used. Nassau has a set of codes but every fire department uses their own. Pretty sad that there is no control and these districts are allowed to make up their own rules as well as codes. Sets the table for a major f up when something big goes down and all the departments have to work as one. These guys use these codes and the other guys use another set of codes...you just pray a life or lives aren't lost b/c there is zero uniformity in the county.
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Post by LIFireEMS on Sept 17, 2006 16:12:28 GMT -5
There is only one set of signals in suffolk that i am aware of, so try that again. there are 7 in nassau, and thats just the ones i know of. Go to plain language and be done with it. Why is this such a difficult concept? the simplicity alone should be the deciding factor. but no, change is bad, we havent needed plain language in the last 400 million years. its that narrow-minded train of thought that will get someone killed. a few depts in suffolk went to plain language. its a start. but nassau really needs to get on the same page.
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Post by LIFA Rob on Sept 21, 2006 18:04:20 GMT -5
yea 10-4, Signal 20 and 23 & Roger that... although I dissagree! Can't you guys just learn all the signals and codes between nassau/Suffolk and FDNY like I did at age like 11? We would all be on the same page if people actually knew them... You guys want to sound navis and amateur with a plain langauge ..then go ahead and talk it up..
Luke, you should know all your 10 codes and acronyms..like RV for roof vent.. I have sat in a fieldcom van listening to all the radio chat..10 10 10 this and 10 that... it's not compliant with Nassau but it will never change.. You have to learn it! be better than the average talker..LOL
gotta eat! ;D
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Post by firetech on Sept 22, 2006 8:15:42 GMT -5
not this moron again. What would be easier, everyone using the same terminology, or learning 15 sets of codes. Im sure we are all impressed that you had no life growing up and you know all these. thats great. But, like i have said in previous posts, this is not the time to be 'buffy', thats what you have radio clubs for.
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Post by LIFA Rob on Sept 22, 2006 17:27:37 GMT -5
Call me what you want. if you knew who i was you would think twice. Anyway, hey that's cool.. i'll compromise.. Why can't there be a standard set of signals made up across the board, would people stress too much having to learn it? .. I'm not arguing that a standard shouldnt be set but I just think signals are more professional and easier.. talking everything out in plain language brings me back to CB radio days on channel 19 with ...ahhh I'm not gonna put anyone down but the point is..well there it is!
and believe it or not, it's dinner time again.
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Post by bfd732 on Sept 22, 2006 18:48:19 GMT -5
Hey, plain english is a recent effort to make interagency communications better and ten codes (and other numerics) are a historic attempt at maintaining operational privacy and short concise transmissions for official radio comm. Problem is when public is listening. When Mr. Smith tunes in his brand new scanner to 46.46 in Suffolk and hears that there is an eldery female DOA at his Mothers address, a possible signal 50 starts to sound a lot better, when you consider that Mr. Smith probably deserves better notice. The irony with plain english is with all the frequencies and bands in use by various agencies it really doesn't matter what you say they can't hear you anyway !!!
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Post by LIFA Rob on Sept 22, 2006 19:36:04 GMT -5
Thank you BFD732..
I also think no matter how some agencies like SCFRES tries to impliment things not everyone is going to follow suit. look at 1-0-0. they have made no attempt to change anything. They don't even bother with the EMD codes on 16's. Good for them... I like the secrecy from john Q listener...and since you brought that up, I don't enjoy hearing a signal 16 (suffolk) or 9 ( nassau) with a detailed transmission of a 3 year old in seizures... It makes me sad to hear stuff like that..actually i don't like any rescue calls. never did, it's never good news to hear.
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Post by firetech on Sept 22, 2006 23:56:18 GMT -5
wait, are you two serious? so for the one in a million chance that mr. smith hears his mothers address, that is justification for using codes? have you lost the concept of plain language versus codes? its not for the public. ITS FOR US! The emergency Responders who occasionally travel into other districts. Not for the people listening to their scanners. And FRES isnt implementing it, the Feds are. They are doing it so they can apply for grants with a better chance of winning them. Its called Federal Mandate, like NIMS and ICS. And R, with all due respect, if you dont like hearing detailed transmissions, you should turn your scanner off. Detailed transmissions give US a better idea of what we are going into. and if that offends OTHERS, TFB. I could careless if Mr. Smith hears that his Mother is in cardiac arrest, hes gonna know something when he hears the address. So that argument is as invalid as R's post.
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Post by firetech on Sept 22, 2006 23:57:20 GMT -5
how about we dont give the address at all. as the chief or ambulance drives down the street, the dispatcher could say whether he is hot or cold.
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Post by NoSho Buff on Sept 23, 2006 9:13:27 GMT -5
hahaha....u cud sort of do it like 830 (Great Neck Vigilant FD) when they sign on the air w/ a Signal 9a..they dont say where the address is or what it is.....just "830 on the air w/ a Signal 9a, 10:13 operator ##"
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Post by bfd732 on Sept 23, 2006 9:22:58 GMT -5
To each their own but just becasue the Fed. mandates something doesn't mean it's a great idea. Firetech said it himself, the reason why people are complying is to qualify for grants not because their is overall concensus on every mandate. IMHO we should be focusing on overcoming technical roadblocks before we worry which language we use. A mayday will always be a mayday but if you can't hear it what good is it??? Regardless of what language you use you need to standardize how you use it, where numerics are used they seem to work fine as long as everyone in the area uses the same codes. Even plain english is subject to interpretation - we recently went to a smell of gas call (signal 23) where multiple neighbors made calls, Utilities were called immediately, but only after being o/s and talking to several of the complainants did we find that they had smelled a strong odor of GASOLINE coming from surrounding canals NOT natural gas!
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Post by LIFA Rob on Sept 24, 2006 0:49:02 GMT -5
how about we dont give the address at all. as the chief or ambulance drives down the street, the dispatcher could say whether he is hot or cold. LOL!! i actually laughed at this line |
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Post by w2lie on Oct 13, 2006 18:33:12 GMT -5
Sorry I'm a bit late on this one, but I have a list of codes on my site that I have been updating as the info is passed onto me... If you want to take a look, here is the link: www.w2lie.net/e107_plugins/content/content.php?content.12I broke it down by Nassau Standard, and the department that uses the code if its a district only code. |
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Post by ladder47 on Oct 15, 2006 9:16:31 GMT -5
Sorry I'm a bit late on this one, but I have a list of codes on my site that I have been updating as the info is passed onto me... If you want to take a look, here is the link: www.w2lie.net/e107_plugins/content/content.php?content.12I broke it down by Nassau Standard, and the department that uses the code if its a district only code. Add sig.70 Lawrence Cedarhurst& Woodmere is automatic alarm sig.70 Uniondale working car fire |
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Post by ladder47 on Oct 15, 2006 9:18:13 GMT -5
Sorry I'm a bit late on this one, but I have a list of codes on my site that I have been updating as the info is passed onto me... If you want to take a look, here is the link: www.w2lie.net/e107_plugins/content/content.php?content.12I broke it down by Nassau Standard, and the department that uses the code if its a district only code. Add sig.70 Lawrence Cedarhurst& Woodmere is automatic alarm sig.70 Uniondale working car fire oops forgot sig.70 Lynbrook firemans family sig.68 firemans family Levittown, east meadow |
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Post by mt8407 on Oct 26, 2006 9:53:10 GMT -5
The federal mandate that only public safety outfits that used "plain english" as their means of communication, for grant applications, got squashed.
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Post by mt8407 on Oct 26, 2006 9:54:36 GMT -5
Thats great!!!!
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Post by LIFA Rob on Oct 30, 2006 18:32:51 GMT -5
This topic still open? LUL.. Yea at this point it's up to the individual agency as to how they want to speak over the radio.. no one will ever be on the same page AND DID you know they are teaching the English Language in Suffolk schools now as a secondary language..!!! And you tell me Suffolk County is not F'd up.... Why don't you guys start giving signal 2's and 21's in Spanish... Really send county for a loop....
Enrout de El Firecomo 5-X-30 en una señal douce
HAHAHA!
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