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Post by NoSho Buff on Jan 17, 2006 11:09:17 GMT -5
I dunno if this was mentioned already but I'll bring it up again......what are some tips/clues (heads-up) FireCom dispatchers & self-dispatched FD's give in their initial dispatch for a reported house fire to tell u that it sounds like you may be going to work....(some ppl say they can tell if its a job just by the way a dispatcher dispatches the call)........lemme hear some input.....ex. operator # & how they may do it.......
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Post by HazMatHarry on Jan 17, 2006 12:48:03 GMT -5
"reported working fire"
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Post by wstendtrk44 on Jan 17, 2006 15:00:18 GMT -5
Normal: "Firecom for Port Washington a General Alarm"
Belief it is a job: "Firecom for the Port Washington Fire Department"
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Post by MLFDCO4 on Jan 17, 2006 15:03:03 GMT -5
Supposedly, if FireCom thinks it's a fire or something they will come over as "FireCom on for the ___________ Fire Department."
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Post by FIRE07 on Jan 17, 2006 15:24:57 GMT -5
every now and then i hear "reported house fire" or "smoke showing" in a dispatch
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Post by flyer0509 on Jan 17, 2006 15:53:35 GMT -5
They'll also give hydrant locations
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Post by PWFD1115 on Jan 17, 2006 16:39:16 GMT -5
house/building fire: in the area of, next to, vicinity of, across from, or called in by a neighbor. just to name a few!
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Post by engine2 on Jan 17, 2006 17:13:18 GMT -5
how about the cough after stating structure fire or adding a nose in the background
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Post by warthog on Jan 17, 2006 17:58:37 GMT -5
Only if I know for sure, like a 99% probability,multiple callers, the big AHEM. You sure don't want to be wrong.
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Post by tellmware2go on Jan 17, 2006 21:14:36 GMT -5
Heads up, tips, clues, I must be missing something. You need clues about fires? Just my opinion, you DO need a CLUE cause you certainly don't have one. It must be a sexual thing, we know, you sit in front of the scanner alone in your room with mister wiggles out and when one of these so called tips comes flying out of your scanner, you start pumping faster. Why the HELL would anybody need to give clues about a fire? What usually works for me is when I hear the signal for a working fire transmitted. Guess some people need more then just what is SUPPOSED to happen.
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Post by grumpydispatcher on Jan 17, 2006 21:28:20 GMT -5
Wow... you always call me the grumpy one.
I think you've had too much time off.
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Post by Thunderfoot on Jan 17, 2006 21:44:27 GMT -5
Only if I know for sure, like a 99% probability,multiple callers, the big AHEM. You sure don't want to be wrong. I think the last part of your post is the thing that stands out. I'd hate to have someone extra pumped up over the "tip-off" lose it responding to the call especially if it turns out to be a bad guess. |
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Post by ESU2422 on Jan 17, 2006 22:10:11 GMT -5
I'm confused, why do you need a tip off? Shouldn't you be prepared on each and every call? If you go in expecting the big fire and it turns out not to be, at least you're not caught with your pants down. When the radio goes off and you can smell it before you get in your car for the trip to the firehouse that's a good tip off.
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Post by shotgun6 on Jan 17, 2006 23:03:56 GMT -5
YIKES!....I think I know what he's talking about....some dispatchers DO tip off the boys when it sounds good......eg. time announced prior to addess etc. and of course the obvious.....
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Post by NoSho Buff on Jan 17, 2006 23:11:27 GMT -5
tellmwere2go..........um i think that was not called for.....what has anyone ever done anything to you eh.......tips are usually given for the brothers on the rigs enroute to the call........all part of the size-up.......size-up starts when the bell goes off........
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Post by grumpydispatcher on Jan 17, 2006 23:35:01 GMT -5
Giving a heads up is not part of the size up. Size up is the knowing the type and possible occupancy of the location, time of day, water sources, exposures, hazards, etc. Information that should be given out for every alarm regardless of if it is a fire or not.
Giving a heads up does nothing more than allow the signal 10 club members to actually show up for an alarm. How many working fires have been transmitted in your district in the middle of the night for locations that are usually b.s. recurring automatic alarms?? Did anyone show up? Or did they just roll and reset because there was no heads up??
It happens more frequently than you would like to believe. I've been on both the responding member side of calls like that as well as the dispatching end.
Maybe people should just worry about making whatever calls they can, when their schedules allow rather than worry about if the dispatcher is giving a heads up on the alarm or not.
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Post by ESU2422 on Jan 18, 2006 0:10:38 GMT -5
I have to agree with grumpy. If you're going to sit home and listen to the call before you go, what's the point? I know plenty of guys who were out the door as soon as the radio went off, some others would listen then decide to go or not. Sometimes I'd see a "brother" sitting on the side of the road wating for the trucks to pull out before he'd walk in the firehouse or they would hide behind a rig that wasn't manned yet. Get on the rig, know where the call is and what the caller has relayed to the dispatcher. Is it a smell of smoke? Is smoke showing? And while you're on your way there suit up. Know your position and responsibility and be prepared to go to work when you get there. If it's nothing you can "Dress down" at the scene. I always wondered where guys came from at 2 AM for a big house fire but 20 min before that for the carbon monoxide alarm you rolled with 3 guys. On the dispatch end of this, if the dispatcher has info he should be relaying that to you, not giving out "coded signals" I know it's not used in the FD, but here where I am we have MDT's. the extras are in the call details and you can read it and have an idea before you get to the call what you might expect. The bottom line is this, you can't handle the call from quarters, you can't know exactly what's going on until you get there, be prepared for anything because each call is different and get there and do what you're trained to do.
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Post by LT32 on Jan 18, 2006 11:13:56 GMT -5
Grumpy and Esu I totally agree with you guys there is too many members that have to see what it is before they go. What I like is rolling with 3 guys to an auto alarm but when you get back 15 guys have already signed the sheet. The other day I missed the 1st due rig and waited and waited for manpower for the 2nd due rig it was just 3 of us as soon as the 13/7 was transmitted 5 guys walked in and signed the sheet. If you dont want to go to fires leave the fire dept. I know there are always times that you cant go but I am not talking about those times.
ESU
Some Fd's do get additional info on their alpha pagers. but only what the caller gives.
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Post by truckie4life on Jan 18, 2006 12:43:43 GMT -5
i think if its a job(fire) its the dispatchers resposibility to tell chief or any responding unit, not a tip off but to tell them "numerous calls, fire at the following address( no one hardy gives the right address all the time). if you take the call u know if its a fir or not. let the responding units know then. if ur dept has the "roll over and resets" and wait till a 10 or 32 is transmitted.u dont want them on ur 1st due rig. if ur into the fire service u go to everything and not pick and choose what calls u go to. thats just how i think.
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Post by grumpydispatcher on Jan 18, 2006 12:50:44 GMT -5
Yes, I agree. When a chief gets on the road, the dispatcher should give any additional information that they have for the alarm. That's not a tip off... it's just genuine information.
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Post by mfddispatcher30 on Jan 18, 2006 13:06:52 GMT -5
Part of the size up?? The address it self should give you a pretty good size up if you know your district. I admit I have tipped my guys off when I think its something, but I have also sent out BS chronic automatic alarms and have had a few that have been 10's.
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Post by 8truck on Jan 18, 2006 20:40:41 GMT -5
for years many have been trying to stop the people from showing up after the rigs leave, the bottom line is, you're not going to stop it. everyone has an excuse why they missed the rigs. And they could care less knowing that for years they've gotten away with it and made it to say life membership! They could care less if the next guy broke his ass to EARN it!
Like i have posted previously, some disp give as much as they can so the first arriving chief / unit is more pre-pared / better informed. Some disps just feel they should only give you the call, and when asked if there is anything else or say, was it a phone alarm or auto alarm, you get the "attitude". Same goes on the PD side, we'll get a call for a mental aided or an attempted suicide, naturally, nothing further. Now it comes time to start asking the questions, weapons? method? who is the caller? Sounds like all the things they are teaching in the WMD classes. no? Then they try the call back, get more info and pass it along. ?? Why wasn't this asked in the first place and if it was, why isn't it passed along? Who are you helping by keeping the info? And we run with the alphas also, sometimes we dont receive the info till we arrive or even after the alarm due to e-mail being down.
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Post by NoSho Buff on Jan 18, 2006 22:23:23 GMT -5
LT32 you can safely agree that we've had numerous auto alarms in the past either during the night or day where the crew in the 1st due units out of any house was light or pretty young/new & then all fo a sudden u pull up & theres smoke showing & it ends up being a Signal 10...then all of a sudden u get 15 other guys showing up.......u see that's one thing I never understood why ppl did that....why must u wait for a Signal 10 to be transmitted & not go when the initial General Alarm was dispatched.....i tell others, take all Sig 8 AA seriously until u pull up cuz there will be that time where u think its BS & ur unprepared & not geared up & Scott-ed up then the sh*t hits the fan....i had that one experience in the past @ an AA on Chestnut Dr that turned into a job....never again since then did i go unprepared to any alarm @ a dwelling.........like you guys said there are those ppl that wait til a 13/7 was given to sign the sheet or w/e....i guess ppl must be desperate for the LOSAP lol...in respect to this issue...are there FD's in Nassau that implement "truck credit" (times uve been on an apparatus goin to a call instead of just responding to the FD & signing in) into their response percentage......
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Post by LT32 on Jan 18, 2006 22:56:57 GMT -5
8truck
I agree all info that is nessecary should be given over the air to the chief If the dispatcher has it. BUT there are departments out there that you are not allowed to give any info also If the alarm is toned out as a Sig 8 auto alarm there should be no reason to waste air time giving that info again and usually by the time the chief gets on the air and asks is this a phone alarm or auto (which was stated when toned out and sent over the beepr system) the dispatcher probably has said auto alarm on the 3 tone outs twice on the phone to the people at the firehouse sent it over the beepers once so now when asked again he just finds it hard to believe that somebody doesn't know what they are going to and is probably not giving an attitude.
Tiger
Go to every alarm prepaired and you wont get caught with you pants down. Also thanks to you guys for all your help during the 8 alarms today.
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Post by tellmware2go on Jan 19, 2006 20:58:46 GMT -5
What are you gonna ask for next, heads up on ambulance and auto accidents? What do you want the dispatchers to do when there are blood and guts laying all over the place, say ambulance department instead of fire department?
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Post by tellmware2go on Jan 19, 2006 21:02:06 GMT -5
um i think that was not called for.....what has anyone ever done anything to you eh.. A little thin skinned there, you can take the critisism, there are plenty of other places for you to go and play. |
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Post by NoSho Buff on Jan 19, 2006 21:15:11 GMT -5
nah nah its not that.....u see the line is drawn here _____ yet ur like 1,000 miles that way>>>>>>>>>
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Post by rhc5928 on Jan 19, 2006 21:50:30 GMT -5
Hey,does anyone know if fire com can tip off an MVA that is bull shit and called in by a member ohh I ment passer-by.
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Post by 1stdue on Jan 20, 2006 0:05:17 GMT -5
i always liked the tip off on a call for a house fire, but now i would like to see the difference in manpower if it wasn't done..also every now and then it pays off to go to the bullshit run in the middle of the night. one time we had a water leak in a group home just when it ended heading back to the fire house a fire came in for a neighboring town. we where the fast truck for that call..and we ended up first due truck on the scene and went to work...score one for the good guys!
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Post by datruck on Jan 20, 2006 1:24:45 GMT -5
So what if there is a tip off. If this "TIP" gets guys to respond instead of looking like a**holes at a fire with no manpower whats the harm. If this "TIP" is a way to help the Department have sufficent personal at the scene whats the hurt? TELLMWARE2GO states he waits to hear the signal for a working fire to know, what happened to going in the first place. And if you state this might get someone in an accident responding like an a** to the firehouse...well shame on the a** who got into the accident and hoping he did not injure anyone else. Those guys have to remember that your safety comes first ,and what good are you going to be when you cant even get there plus the fire will still be there if you miss the truck. A "TIP" also has to be taken as there is a good possibilty of a working fire,well thank you for telling me. Now in my mind I start preparing myself to do what I have to do and thats to protect life and property, shame on me for wanting to have an edge. Also as far as everyone stating you should be prepared at all times you are right. And to all of you that state get up and out for every call you hear , you are right. But if I could have that extra "TIP" thats great. There is also a tip that 99% of the time you are responding to a bull***t alarm when they announce auto alarm or sig 8. Obviously a lot of people take that "TIP" and dont respond.To all of you who write on this board and sit there and just sign the book,you have NO RIGHT to start complaing about a tip. So sorry that a tip could offend so many people. GROW UP and get to the call, wheter there is a tip or not, you did swear to do this right?  |
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