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Post by Thunderfoot on Jan 20, 2006 9:59:19 GMT -5
A "TIP" also has to be taken as there is a good possibilty of a working fire,well thank you for telling me. Now in my mind I start preparing myself to do what I have to do and thats to protect life and property, shame on me for wanting to have an edge. In most cases you don't need a "tip" that you are going to work, especially if you are getting stuff transmitted like a house fire with occupants trapped etc. The first responding units get all the info they need as far as if there are multiple calls, PD on scene reporting working fire, etc. The ammount of prep time you are getting is minimal. In most cases you'll know if you are heading into a job or not very quickly. The so called "tips" add to the buff value of the call for sure, and tend to become little trademarks for some of these dispatchers who think they are some kind of on-air radio personality.
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Post by 8truck on Jan 20, 2006 18:30:05 GMT -5
Hey,does anyone know if fire com can tip off an MVA that is bull shit and called in by a member ohh I ment passer-by.
Yeah, check to see that the call back goes to the Pay Phone opposite sta 2 on Mineola Ave !!!!!!
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Post by tellmware2go on Jan 20, 2006 23:22:31 GMT -5
TELLMWARE2GO states he waits to hear the signal for a working fire to know Where the HELL did I say that??!! The word wait wasn't written ANYWHERE!
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Post by datruck on Jan 21, 2006 7:23:45 GMT -5
tellmware2go on 1/17-What usually works for me is when I hear the signal for a working fire transmitted.
Just sounds like you sit there and wait. maybe im Bad on the way i took it.
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Post by datruck on Jan 21, 2006 7:30:28 GMT -5
Hey Thunder........Prep time is prep time. And I can say that just because they say people trapped or the ever so famous PD reporting a fire are more wrong than right. I am not a disp but know a few, and they say a little edge is better than nothing. Yea you are right about the "additional" they you may or may not get WHEN a Chief goes 21 or the 1ST UNIT, but if my apparatus is the 1ST UNIT on the road and it takes 3-6minutes why not know before that??? Oh and to the buff thing.....What do you think this board is made up of? I would say buffs and really conserned FIREFIGHTERS. So you have to be one of the two....right?
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Post by Thunderfoot on Jan 21, 2006 8:02:23 GMT -5
Yea you are right about the "additional" they you may or may not get WHEN a Chief goes 21 or the 1ST UNIT, but if my apparatus is the 1ST UNIT on the road and it takes 3-6minutes why not know before that??? Oh and to the buff thing.....What do you think this board is made up of? I would say buffs and really conserned FIREFIGHTERS. So you have to be one of the two....right? The tip off is not a horribly bad thing, don't get me wrong. I too know a few dispatchers, and it's a divided feeling on the topic of a tip off. As far as giving the info to first responding units, a good dispatcher will be consistent with giving the info he has. Most of the dispatchers I know will tell you that the tip off is only as effective depending on how many members actually know what it is. More times than not there are more tham a few members out of the loop on this. What I meant by buff value is that often someone buffing the scanner is more aware of certain diapatchers tip off's than the members of the department he dispatches for. As you said earlier, just go to the calls when you get toned out. My point is more directed at how this topic started, how someone wants to know all the tip off's used by different places. If it's not your own department, why worry?
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Post by flyer0509 on Jan 21, 2006 11:05:06 GMT -5
When my neighboring town transmits the 10, I think that's a good enough tipoff that they have something. I have this little black thing on my belt that makes noise when I'm supposed to go, and I go.
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Post by kk2482 on Jan 24, 2006 17:53:42 GMT -5
Tips arent a bad thing, but we all know that some people will get up for the calls no matter what while others get up "if it sounds good". As a Dispatcher and Officer I have no problem with tips and have given them myself over the years. Anyway to answer the original question in this post here are a few of the ones I've used or heard over the years
Normal - 240 on the air with a General Alarm Tip- 240 on the air with a General Alarm of Fire
Normal - 240 On the air with a general alarm 123 whatever street all units to respond. Tip - 240 on the air with a general alarm All Units to Respond, 123 whatever street.
and one of my favorites from a co-worker: 240 Oceanside Fire Department on the air with a fire ..... that was a classic.
Also I have told the Chief after his 21 "sounds like youre going to work" multiple calls etc. And yes most of the time that these have been used the run turned out to be something... and yes there were alot of people who showed up that you dont get for the South Nassau automatic alarm either.
Stay Safe Brothers
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Post by tellmware2go on Jan 24, 2006 21:07:41 GMT -5
Well KK, when the dispatcher is looking right outside his window and can see the fire in the empty supermarket, I think it's a good idea to say WITH A FIRE! I knew that one just from the tone in his voice but stating the classic words helped.
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Post by ofdndfd493 on Jan 25, 2006 19:13:45 GMT -5
How's this for size up....the dispatcher saying exactly what the caller said instead of giving "hints." If the caller said she smells smoke say that, if he says there are flames coming out of the upstairs windows across the street then let the units know that. I never understood why dispacthing was so secretive sometimes...Also another observation in my limited experience is that when there is no hint or tip-off and the the response is just the normal people who show up to everything and not the heroes, the call goes much smoother. One of the biggest problems in my department at some of these "good calls" is not lack of manpower but too many people and not enough work which leads to freelancing and companies trying to do other companies' work.
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Post by grumpydispatcher on Jan 26, 2006 8:19:56 GMT -5
My personal favorites are:
1. The departments that dispatch every alarm as a building or house fire even if it's an automatic alarm or some other type of usual nonsense,
2. Departments that give no information other than general alarm because the chiefs don't want people picking and choosing what calls they go to.
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Post by LT32 on Jan 26, 2006 9:47:55 GMT -5
Grumpy
This goes along with what you are saying, there are departments that tone out a structure fire for auto alarms so people don't know what it is BUT for a house or building fire it gets toned out as Type and location. So who are they fooling? It would take 2 auto alarms and 1 house fire to fiqure that out.
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Post by Ex-Capt371 on Jan 28, 2006 10:55:41 GMT -5
Man, i have to come around more often, nobody is showin the love!!! gotta keep the peace.
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Post by chunkylover53 on Feb 1, 2006 7:41:51 GMT -5
Sure are some cranky people in Nassau County. Think yall need to relax a bit...
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Post by grumpydispatcher on Feb 1, 2006 15:02:05 GMT -5
I'm not cranky... I'm grumpy... get it right.
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Post by tellmware2go on Feb 1, 2006 15:08:49 GMT -5
And theres sneezy, bashfull, dopey, doc, all the little guys.
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Post by tl254truckie on Feb 1, 2006 20:34:15 GMT -5
whether its right or wrong...there are definitely dispatchers who will tip you off that the alarm could be a job...besides the classics of ...next to...in the rear of...or across from there are others...one that was pointed out that is usually indicative is the full proper name as in " KEG254 fire com for the __________ Fire Department"... not just firecom either some dept dispatchers have ways of conveying it...it's subtle and not 100% accurate but i have heard it before...and yes to save all the comments i have no life and i listen to the radio too much...i know i know...also most of the people who even pick up on stuff like that are the ones that show up anyway so you still get the same crew
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Post by NoSho Buff on Feb 1, 2006 22:25:21 GMT -5
For ex: Rodney in Glen Cove tips it off by saying... KED 283 Glen Cove Fire Dept signing on the air, at "23:10", with a General Alarm, report of a house fire....he tips off by mentioning the time of alarm......
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Post by grumpydispatcher on Feb 2, 2006 16:06:12 GMT -5
Amazing... 2 and a half weeks and 40 something posts later, we're right back to the beginning again.
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Post by hicksjr63 on Feb 3, 2006 17:59:41 GMT -5
the infamous 14 on scene reporting a job, or Headquarters to any 8th prescient units, a working fire in hicksville.. they were wrong
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Post by mfddispatcher30 on Feb 3, 2006 18:24:32 GMT -5
Departments that tone out everything as a bldg or house fire when its an automatic alarm then with the first chief on the road which could be 30 seconds after you tone it out tell them that its an automatic. Whats the secret if everyone is going to know.....
And as we all know there are BS Auto alarms that are real fires....
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Post by hicksjr63 on Feb 3, 2006 21:15:00 GMT -5
yea those Signal 8 1 engine to respond automatic alarms can catch you with your pants down. What if you arivve and the alarm went our for a reason.
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Post by buffman69 on Apr 19, 2006 7:36:06 GMT -5
its deff. when the dispatcher says "multiple calls"
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Post by TOWERING ABOVE THE REST...!! on Apr 19, 2006 14:00:42 GMT -5
today our dispatcher said "sounds like your goin to work" when the tones went out.
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Post by wqce207a on Apr 19, 2006 17:25:58 GMT -5
Hey Hicks, You mean in Nassau they send an engine to all automatic alarms? What a concept.
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Post by flyer0509 on Apr 20, 2006 12:47:15 GMT -5
I usually know it's something when I hear SIGNAL 10. Or, if you actually go on the call at the first tones and there's fire blowing out the windows when you get there, you'll know then too.
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Post by grumpydispatcher on Apr 20, 2006 13:04:33 GMT -5
Yeah, but where's the guesswork in that? Too easy.
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