Deputies on the Highways

[chunkylover53]

I know it's only been a day since they took over, but has anyone had the opportunity to work with the deps yet?

How are they doing with response to MVA's and carfires and whatnot?

Not trying to cause trouble, just wondering if it's noticably different from what we're used to with the SCPD.

[bloomtruck42]

haven't heard anything yet.... but i know central islip amb and ci fire got together and decided to both respond to any MVA on the eway which i thought was really smart until we know what their response will be like

[Ex-Capt371]

Since when? You sure it wasnt 3-8-0?

[trk6eng2]

Why did they never both respond?

[bloomtruck42]

i dunno

i got an email on the 17th that both ci and haup fire would be having a dual response on all mvas on the LIE

[Ex-Capt371]

Not really, but i did just see the memo this morning. It is only upon request of CIHVA. We only respond to Delta MVA's and confirmed pins on V-Peds.

[trk6eng2]

Ok, thanks

[firnatine04856]

from what was explained to my guys by the powers that be, fire depts now are the 4th to be notified for mvas on 27 & 495.

1) 911 gets the call
2) they notify sheriff's dept via landline
3) they call firecom
4) firecom activates individual departments OR
any department that dispatches themselves is then notified via fax & landline for them to activate

[trk6eng2]

More delays, love it.

[Gargamel37]

Sept 29, 2008 15:40:07 GMT -5 firnatine04856 said:

from what was explained to my guys by the powers that be, fire depts now are the 4th to be notified for mvas on 27 & 495.

1) 911 gets the call
2) they notify sheriff's dept via landline
3) they call firecom
4) firecom activates individual departments OR
any department that dispatches themselves is then notified via fax & landline for them to activate

1.) 911 is called, SCPD picks up (99% of the time)
2.) If its fire or ems related, FRES is tied into (3-way) the E911 call for EMD'ing and to get the FD/Rescue going.
3.) PD will landline the Sheriffs Communications center for all calls on 27 & 495 until the Sheriff is tied into the E911 system.

Pretty much the same as its always been, except the Sheriff is now notified. If you ask me, its the law enforcement that's getting the delay, not fire/rescue

[suddenlyseemore]

FRES still has to landline the departments that have their own dispatchers.

Which is ridiculous the number of departments which "need" their own dispatchers and millions of dollars in high band radio equipment...

[Gargamel37]

I agree, way too many high band freqs out there. Depts that run 100 calls now have their own.

But w/dispatching - depts want personalized service & dispatchers who know the immediate area. You're not going to get this from FRES, they're too busy. If you look at it, most of the county has their own dispatching (1st, 2nd, most of 3rd, 4th, alot of the 5th. Riverhead & the north and south forks all have their own. And FRES is still busy, taking alot of 911 calls and initially activating. Can you imagine if they dispatched the entire county from start of call to finish? They'd have to add alot of manpower @ FRES.

[suddenlyseemore]

County isn't the answer. Township based dispatch centers like 1-0-0 and 4-2-0 offer the best balance of centralization, knowledge of the area and personal service.

There ought to be a central county call taking facility for fire/EMS and the call information would be transferred via CAD as its taken to the township based dispatch center for initial activation and dispatch. That way the town dispatchers can focus on the units rather than interrogating the callers and leave that to those at the central call taking facility.

The central call taking facility could also act as a coordination facility for larger incidents spanning multiple townships.

Also if you could add CADs to the units and allow them to mark their status with it just by pushing a button, it would cut down on a ton of the simpler radio traffic (2, 21, etc)... it would almost eliminate ambulance radio traffic... plus it could share a lot of useful information with the responding units (hydrant locations, units already on scene, pre-plan info)

[Gargamel37]

while i agree, i do like the idea of a township dispatch...but a centralized call taking center transferring to township dispatchers. too many hands in the pot causes...delays

you have bcfa, 420. the east end all have their own. all you would really need is 2nd, 3rd and 5th Div's to have their own.

[suddenlyseemore]

not too many hands if they're all working for the same county agency

a lot of major metro areas run there operations similarly... i think fdny runs similarly with a separate alarm receipt dispatcher who hands it off to the decision dispatcher and the radio in/out dispatchers

another part of it should be that if the smithtown dispatch center gets flooded or their power knocked out, that the neighboring dispatch centers can pick up their work seamlessly.

[Luke]

Oct 12, 2008 9:47:12 GMT -5 suddenlyseemore said:

Also if you could add CADs to the units and allow them to mark their status with it just by pushing a button, it would cut down on a ton of the simpler radio traffic (2, 21, etc)... it would almost eliminate ambulance radio traffic... plus it could share a lot of useful information with the responding units (hydrant locations, units already on scene, pre-plan info)

Is this in an ideal situation or a serious suggestion?

I'll spare my rant on the subject but it is simply not necessary. If everyone that 4-2-0 covers were to give a signal 2 at the same time, it still wouldn't warrant a CAD system on apparatus (some slight exaggeration here ) Nobody is busy enough that a CAD system should be in place. With the exception of very specific units (haz-mat primarily), its just not needed.

I do agree with everything else and that sub-dividing area's with a specific dispatch center would be a great idea and provide a far more personalized service than FRES.

Good post. Although its not on topic any longer, I like reading about different idea's. ::thumbs up::

[suddenlyseemore]

Serious suggestion

Its not that alone each dept is busy enough that they need a CAD, but when you have multiple units from multiple agencies on multiple alarms on the same frequency, it can get crowded unnecessarily...

its just a method to reduce radio traffic, especially on the more routine calls like EMS where you mainly just have 2, 21, 18, 21, 5 and 28 and nothing else significant

if you figure ems is 80% of the calls, then you could be cutting down on 80% of the radio traffic and leave airtime for more important stuff

[Gargamel37]

Patchogue Ambulance gives all signals to the Patchogue FD Dispatch over a computer in the ambulance (2's, 21's, 18, etc)

[Luke]

Interesting. I didnt know Patchogue Ambulance had computers. I can see it more in an ambulance to have a CAD system. Quite a few of the V.A.C.'s in Suffolk do quite a bit of running around. GPS would probably work well there too if is/was enabled on the buses. It would probably shave off some time to m/a a bus b/c they can see the buses on the road are out of the area of the call.

I am clearly not a proponent of CAD systems in apparatus so I won't carry on about it. I see your point suddenly. I didnt want that to go unnoticed.

[silverstar]

not sure where you guys are getting your info but the North Fork is dospatched by Town PD, they do NOT have individual dispatch

[Gargamel37]

Dec 4, 2008 13:15:53 GMT -5 silverstar said:

not sure where you guys are getting your info but the North Fork is dospatched by Town PD, they do NOT have individual dispatch

I was referring to all the north fork having "their own" meaning 8-0-0

[liemt324]

The Sheriffs are horrendous. They can't figure out locations to save their lives.

[Dispatch]

This thread you are making your stupid comments on is ALMOST 2 YEARS OLD!