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Post by newsnick175 on Sept 12, 2006 19:30:47 GMT -5
As of June 7th the Blue Light provision in the NYS V&Ts has been amended. Now all police can use blue lights for rear protection. No change in volunteer firefighters use of blue lights. Of course we've seen blue lights on cop cars on Long Island before, villages and cities, but now will see them on county and state RMPs. Should cops take over and make blue their primary color? Blue is by far the predominant color used by police across the country. Would all volunteer emergency workers [fire & ems] use green lights? Keep fire trucks and ambulances red and clear. Nick
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Post by LIFireEMS on Sept 12, 2006 20:23:58 GMT -5
i dont see what difference it would make, nobody yields anyway.
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Post by ladder3 on Sept 12, 2006 20:51:05 GMT -5
I don't see why people have a problem with the police cars having blue lights on there cars. The more people see the blue light being used on police and fire trucks the better we are as vol. using them to get to the firehouse.
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Post by ESU2422 on Sept 12, 2006 21:29:04 GMT -5
You could fly a helicopter right up behind someone and shine all 40 million candlepower of the NightSun into someones mirror and they won't move out of the way. Red, Blue, Green, Yellow, Purple, doesn't matter, people drive with their heads up their butts.
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Post by wqce207a on Sept 12, 2006 21:35:58 GMT -5
I think fire apparatus should have blue also. I saw Manorville working an MVA on the expressway w/ their new heavy rescue and the blue LED's in the rear really stood out. The weather that day was shitty, and blue really caught my attention over the red yellow. They use blue on the PD cars here in CT and it really makes a difference.
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Post by Taz on Sept 12, 2006 22:40:59 GMT -5
Nassau PD has had blue lights facing rear for years...I did see a state trooper last week with a small blue flasher under the main lightbar last week, normally they use to have an amber one at the far right and left under the light bar..now its one amber and one blue.
Fire trucks use be able to have blue lights but like 3-4 years ago that changed too, though not all depts care...ours unfortunately did..we had a it on the rear mini light bars, and on the side flasher and a single blue in the main lightbar between all the red and white lights...
I dont think you could ever go all blue for PD in NY it would cause to much confusion...blue = volunteer is imbedded in peoples head in this state...whether they acknwledge it though is another question
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Post by chunkylover53 on Sept 13, 2006 0:19:39 GMT -5
I can recall taking one of those very important EVOC classes where the guy teaching told us that blue can't be seen from distances as well as red and yellow can, uh huh.  Now the really important thing to remember about putting blue lights back on the rigs is that you'll automatically be disqualifed in parades for having blue lights on your rigs, and we all know the important stuff in the fireservice is parades, drills and softball... |
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Post by newsnick175 on Sept 13, 2006 10:08:48 GMT -5
Since the general public has a hard time with what to do when a car or truck pulls up behind them with a blue or green light flashing, the change of what lights are who, would need an extensive ad campaign to inform and educate them. Something that has never been done on a state wide scale.
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Post by LIFA Rob on Sept 13, 2006 19:42:14 GMT -5
There is one fire department I know of that has Blue Strobe Lights on their rigs.. Garden City Park.. The old 153 ( 71 Mack CF) had them and the new 154 has them.. Old 154 ( 71 Mack CF)may have had them but I forget....
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Post by Backdraft on Sept 13, 2006 20:28:50 GMT -5
Look at it this way, if they decide to change our color to green, purple, whatever lets hope the state picks up the tab for the new light cause I ain't buyin another one.
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Post by FIRE07 on Sept 13, 2006 22:23:43 GMT -5
i think purple has been reserved for funeral processions. i saw one go by a few weeks ago, the hearse had a strobe kit and dash-mounted purple strobe, and many of the cars in the procession had purple gumballs
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Post by ESU2422 on Sept 14, 2006 2:57:42 GMT -5
If purple is being done it's on an "informal" basis. There are no provisions in the VTL for purple lights.
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Post by wqce207a on Sept 14, 2006 8:10:04 GMT -5
wow, funeral procession whackers!
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Post by LIFireEMS on Sept 14, 2006 8:41:30 GMT -5
Why would the state pick up the tab, it is not a requirement for you to have a light. Purple is symbolic of funeral processions. Think about the bunting you hang on your firehouse. Black and Purple.
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Post by suddenlyseemore on Sept 14, 2006 12:56:59 GMT -5
I can recall taking one of those very important EVOC classes where the guy teaching told us that blue can't be seen from distances as well as red and yellow can, uh huh. red is a much longer wavelength (700 nanometers) and consequently can be seen better from a distance as compared to blue (~450 nm) same reason why low band is better for long distance radio coverage... |
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Post by Backdraft on Sept 14, 2006 19:30:51 GMT -5
I was kidding. I know the state wouldn't pay for a thing. However now I've learned that there is a purple light for funerals...never new that.
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Post by LIFA Rob on Sept 15, 2006 4:04:36 GMT -5
purple lights?......... hmmm, I hope I don't see any buffs now joining in on the convoy to Calverton National.....
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Post by harp420 on Sept 15, 2006 6:01:08 GMT -5
I can recall taking one of those very important EVOC classes where the guy teaching told us that blue can't be seen from distances as well as red and yellow can, uh huh. red is a much longer wavelength (700 nanometers) and consequently can be seen better from a distance as compared to blue (~450 nm) same reason why low band is better for long distance radio coverage... james you got issues.... |
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Post by BLASTER99 on Sept 15, 2006 6:29:24 GMT -5
We have had blue lights on the left rear corner of all our rigs for years..... i never thought it was a difficult topic...
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Post by suddenlyseemore on Sept 15, 2006 12:53:20 GMT -5
oh come on, you take 2 semesters of physics and everyone starts saying you have issues...
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Post by newsnick175 on Sept 17, 2006 23:12:12 GMT -5
The point of blue lights, who ever has them, is that they stand out in a sea of red and clear [white] which is especially inportant on the high-ways at night. I think the most visable color is lime-green. Just think how well that would stand out. The fact that almost every state in the union uses blue for their cops would bring NYS into compliance with the norm. As for cost to vollies to switch, how about a one time $50 tax credit on your state taxes.
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Post by LIFireEMS on Sept 17, 2006 23:47:00 GMT -5
Just what we need, another 'perk' for our buddies to write about.
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Post by Crossbuff on Sept 18, 2006 0:01:42 GMT -5
I was on my way home from work last night and say a NYS Trooper Car with the NEW blue LED lights in the rear lower half of the light bar. I will tell you it really stands out and get your attention(sp).
I personally think the Blue light draws you attention and "pulls you in" if you know what I mean. I would think you would not want that. I believe I have read somewhere that the reason the NYS Police went to the amber light in the rear many years ago was to "push you away" amber meaning like tow or road work no one what to see that.
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Post by jjklongisland on Dec 4, 2006 20:48:06 GMT -5
I agree with Crossbuff, the blue led's on the under the light bar facing the rear are so bright they drown out their red light bar. They are totally bright. I see them everyday on my way home from work... The only bad thing about pd switching to blue is that as more people associate the blue color now with police, some moron buff (no offense) is gonna ruin for everyone and either try and pull over someone or drive like a moron with his blue lights on... then they will make vollies go yellow...
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