New Suffolk County Police ESU Rig

[Crossbuff]

I happen to be on a call today when the new SCPD ESU 3 pulled up. I only had my camera phone on me so sorry about the quality of the pictures.
To me it looks like an oversized NYPD ESU rig.

[the47bravest]

the lettering reminds me of the NYPD esu rigs., same with the placement of the scpd and scpd esu patches

[wqce207a]

I don't understand why more depts dont use the GMC chassis. It is superior to the F550 in so many ways. Credit to the county mechanics, they're an absolute b*tch to work on. Anyone have pics of the compartments, tool setup etc?

[Ex-Capt371]

Buff, you let me down. When do you ever NOT have your camera with you?

[Crossbuff]

I know I was mad at myself. I left it in my other truck....

[LFD78]

Hmmmm and you wonder why your taxes are so high...... That's just the truck, now think of all the fancy equipment they got inside there. What exactly do they have on that rig like what's mainly used for?

[bloomtruck42]

emergency services.....everything from exctrications to hazmats to swat in there.

[ESU2422]

And that box is probably the least expensive of all the options available to them. It's a standard ESU box, nothing fancy. As for the equipment, anything another cop might need when he's yelling for help is probably in there, from animal control, to Scotts, specialized weapons, lighting, cold water survival suits, hand tools etc. While tax dollars are used very often additional funds are secured through "forfeited" funds, like money obtained through drug raids etc.

Also remember the truck gets built by the low bidder.

[Billy Buff]

Also, I hate to say it but we all know every fire department doesn't need a heavy rescue and half the other toys we have.

[NORTHSIDE4LIFE]

Would you rather have it & not need it or Need it & not have it ?
YA wanna complain about taxes............. go to a school board meeting!!!

[bloomtruck42]

sheetrat281 said:

Also, I hate to say it but we all know every fire department doesn't need a heavy rescue and half the other toys we have.

shhh don't say that too loudly, newsday would eat it up. wasn't rescue trucks one of their headlines for fire alarm comparing the amount on long island to NYC?

[Billy Buff]

[suddenlyseemore]

newsday wasn't wrong either...

[bfd732]

suddenlyseemore said:

newsday wasn't wrong either...

Well that depends doesn't it? They advocate consolidation of services i.e too many rescue trucks, so does it make sense for two agencies (PD and FD) to provide similar services? They advocate better response for you tax dollars by using paid staff, but if you consolidate equipment and services won't you have to expand (create) good paying PD/FD jobs? With no slight to PD they get paid pretty well, so comparing the cost of one of these rigs responding to an MVA with two cops versus a truck of five or six Vols is kinda like apples and oranges.

[suddenlyseemore]

PD provides a similar service because its sometimes necessary for their job description. i've seen scpd use their hurst tool for extrication of DOAs at fatal MVA crime scenes. they're trained for that, we're not. if they're buffing pin jobs outside of that and helping get the victim out of the car quicker, thats great, because thats what we're all here for: serving the community (if paid/vol or pd/fd)

but that really wasnt my point when i said "newsday wasnt wrong"

lets take an example: i dont think the rescue truck from your dept or any of the surrounding ones is exactly running all day every day. i think most of the day its actually sitting collecting dust, like most departments.

might it be more efficient for volunteer depts to pool resources? id rather see a $500,000 apparatus with tens of thousands of dollars in extrication equipment running its balls off (as it'd be a good expenditure of the money and justification for the bells and whistles newsday criticizes us for buying) than for a parade piece which sits idle most of the day. how can we really justify something that costs so much, yet gets used so relatively little by an individual department?

FD system needs to be run more like a business instead of "boys and their toys", "the poor man's country club" or "this is my playground". We need to consider: Are we serving our customer, the community? And how can we do it better, faster, and in the least expensive way?

The volunteer community, if we want to survive, needs to stop making excuses for our issues (financial mismanagement, long response times) and start creating solutions by working together.

And it might mean big changes and that how things are done now will be a thing of the past. We might see depts losing apparatus and making auto mutual aid plans with others. We might see in-house vol fire duty crews.

Otherwise it will end up being taken away from us and end up being an all paid or at least combo system.

Anyways, its a nice looking truck.

[bfd732]

suddenlyseemore said:

PD provides a similar service because its sometimes necessary for their job description. i've seen scpd use their hurst tool for extrication of DOAs at fatal MVA crime scenes. they're trained for that, we're not. if they're buffing pin jobs outside of that and helping get the victim out of the car quicker, thats great, because thats what we're all here for: serving the community (if paid/vol or pd/fd)

but that really wasnt my point when i said "newsday wasnt wrong"

lets take an example: i dont think the rescue truck from your dept or any of the surrounding ones is exactly running all day every day. i think most of the day its actually sitting collecting dust, like most departments.

might it be more efficient for volunteer depts to pool resources? id rather see a $500,000 apparatus with tens of thousands of dollars in extrication equipment running its balls off (as it'd be a good expenditure of the money and justification for the bells and whistles newsday criticizes us for buying) than for a parade piece which sits idle most of the day. how can we really justify something that costs so much, yet gets used so relatively little by an individual department?

FD system needs to be run more like a business instead of "boys and their toys", "the poor man's country club" or "this is my playground". We need to consider: Are we serving our customer, the community? And how can we do it better, faster, and in the least expensive way?

The volunteer community, if we want to survive, needs to stop making excuses for our issues (financial mismanagement, long response times) and start creating solutions by working together.

And it might mean big changes and that how things are done now will be a thing of the past. We might see depts losing apparatus and making auto mutual aid plans with others. We might see in-house vol fire duty crews.

Otherwise it will end up being taken away from us and end up being an all paid or at least combo system.

Anyways, its a nice looking truck.

I don't disagree with the consolidation of equipment in theory only in practice. I point to the way governments overlap services all the time. Look at our school system, County, State, Town Police Sherriffs, libraries, Village, town, county and state road crews, etc.... They all find (or make up) rules that restrict why only their agency can do a certain task and therefore are justified a budget for it.

And from the taxpayers standpoint there may well be a good reason to keep control at the smallest local level. I think a good example of this (which I am not proud of) is that many small dept.'s prolly do not comply with all state and federal saftey guidelines due to concern for what it would cost. Not sure I want someone from another district or agency telling me what gear I need and how that will impact my taxes.

In theory consolidation works, in reality with politcal boundaries and power struggles it does not. Personally, I believe "the crisis" mentaility that we will soon be replaced because the service we currently provide is so bad, relevant to the taxes we pay for it, is very much overblown. And certainly a consolidation of many of the other municipal services suggested would result in better return to the taxpayer. I think we're here to stay and we simply need to be careful to be responsive to our customers.

I agree it's a beautiful truck !!! My opinion only.

[bloomtruck42]

not saying that it doesn't have its flaws or that it would ever work/go through but...

how many rescue trucks do you think we would need per princinct(just for boundary purposes). 2, maybe 3, you rarely ever hear 4 pin jobs go on at once. Theres no doubt in my mind it would be fairly easy to staff them full time with volunteers (knowing they will see some work).

i'll admit it though, alotttt easier said then done.

[Billy Buff]

This thread is getting off topic but I agree with suddenlyseemore. Fire Departments around here should start to think a little more with apparatus/manpower before the government steps in. I believe its only a matter of time.

[LFD78]

Well either way the truck looks sweet! No argument there.

[XCAPT1]

Only a small part of that truck is for "Rescue". Most of equipment on it is for Police situations. They have a big truck stationed at MacArthur for any major "Rescue" situations.

Stay Safe

[suddenlyseemore]

i think i have a pic of a couple of the ESU support vehicles at a trench rescue 2 years ago, i'll try to find it

[x-capt51]

It is a badass looking truck

[Crossbuff]

Well I finally got a GOOD picture of the NEW SCPD ESU rig....Enjoy

X-BUFF

[enfdphoto]

That looks like a different truck than ES-3 First pictured. Notice there is no POLICE across the hood and it looks like it says ES-2 on the back cabinet. I guess they got more.

[ESU2422]

Suffolk has 2 new rigs, ES2 and ES3, they are "twins" but obviously not identical.