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Post by repo on Jan 22, 2006 17:29:13 GMT -5
See the "buffs beware" thread under the islandwide section.
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Post by pwlt3a on Jan 23, 2006 6:08:20 GMT -5
Not to open old wounds but I also remember a certain PW signal 10 when a truck from Roslyn rolled and wasnt even called and the Chief from Roslyn sent them back when they showed up. Asking is one thing....doing whatever you feel like is another.
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Post by 8truck on Jan 24, 2006 10:03:25 GMT -5
I am not defending them rolling in without being called. I do not agree with the freelancing. We were discussing the PW Fire right? and in that situation, they called and asked, ok, so you didn't want them or need them, fine. No harm. However, I certainly disagree with just responding on your own. And thats all im saying, they asked, is that such a BAD thing? Just showing up is!
LT32: If you are so overwhelmed at the CP as the IC you can't answer the radio, then someone should be helping you! Many feel that your not the IC unless everyone hears your voice on the radio. The IC has many things to concern himself with. Having another member monitor the radio takes much of the burden off the IC. Messages can be "fielded" by the radio op without bogging down the IC, leaving the IC free to make decisions about the incident.
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Post by tellmware2go on Jan 24, 2006 14:11:43 GMT -5
Sorry 8Truck but I put buffing without being invited and asking on the radio, on the same level. If your needed, or wanted, you'll be called whether you have a crew already or not. There is nothing more of a pain on the radio duriing a major fire then units volunteering over the radio. Just takes up valuable radio time that could be put to better use sometimes. Let nature takes it course and if and when you don't get called, turn on the computer in the firehouse and sign onto this board and start complaining.
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Post by 8truck on Jan 24, 2006 17:30:40 GMT -5
Sorry, I still disagree. I see no harm in offering up if you are available and close by. If it were to become a habbit, then I could see the chief's getting together to hash it out. Here's another scenerio. The dept has 1 or 2 trucks on scene, they begin to make entry and advance, now a collapse occurs you call for M/A Now members have to respond to the firehouse, gear up and respond to the scene, but wait, a dept returning or out on a 38 have a crew and are close by like i said earlier, even if i have to hold them in stagging, or keep em as a FAST team, I'm looking out for the better of my men.
Perhaps the available dept should have called FireCom and let them know, then they could have advised the CP.
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Post by tellmware2go on Jan 24, 2006 21:15:16 GMT -5
You don't sit on the other side of the microphone too often to find out what a pain a department can be, when they are calling from a firehouse and offering up their services. Try it before you knock it. And sitting in a firehouse and offering to buff and just returning from ANY kind of run, being in the area, and offering your services are two different things. One is a pain, one can be helpful. A "good" dispatcher would be able to offer the company returning from a previous run if they are in the area before they get a chance to get on the radio. By the way, the "T" in FAS stands for TEAM. The correct written way is FAS TEAM. Some buff!
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Post by Thunderfoot on Jan 24, 2006 22:15:38 GMT -5
Perhaps the available dept should have called FireCom and let them know, then they could have advised the CP. Said available departments should be instructed to leave firecom alone, especially if it's in the middle of a job. That's exactally what the firecom operator needs. On top of listening to the radio traffic (on multiple frequency's in some cases) he's also handeling phone notifications, coordinating any mutual aid already requested, and most importantly following outlined proceedures most departments have in place to follow for signal 10's. If he misses an important radio transmission because someone is calling in to say they have a crew, how does that help the safety of the units in operation? Secondly those calling in will be tying up the console phone which may be needed by someone at the scene (command post etc.) . If something is needed it will be called for by the command post, don't get the dispatch operation involved by making their job more difficult.
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Post by grumpydispatcher on Jan 25, 2006 1:30:41 GMT -5
Just adding to thunderfoot's comments, this holds even more true to non Firecom dispatcher centers. We are often just one person handling numerous radios and phones. Firecom at least has the advantages of multiple bodies in the room.
It's bad enough that during the alarm the press feels that they need to call and bug the crap out of us, or every neighbor in a 10 block radius becomes concerned that they hear so many sirens. Not to mention the residents of another village calling up to bitch that you're setting off the audible alarms too many times. The last thing we need is a fire company calling to offer their services. If you're needed.... you'll be called.
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Post by LT32 on Jan 25, 2006 9:03:55 GMT -5
8truck
It is amazing we actually agree on something. The IC should NOT be the one on the radio he should be standing next to the command post listening and watching what is going on around him. He may be on fireground directing the operation but should not be on the radio answering stupid questions like "___ command this is unit___ do you have any orders" That officer should know where to park his truck and proceed to the command post with or without his crew and get his orders. I love when the first due engine asks for orders I always want to scream into the radio "yeah I have orders follow SOP's and put the f'n fire out. Alot of departments do it right and have a senior member or an ex-chief man the radio to field the useless transmissions and they know they are not in charge they are just the middle man. And I still believe that If the IC wants a unit they will call for it. There are extreme exeptions to this rule that I will not get into.
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